{"id":742,"date":"2014-10-15T13:58:43","date_gmt":"2014-10-15T13:58:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/not-so-great-northern-transmission-line.org\/?p=742"},"modified":"2014-10-15T19:06:48","modified_gmt":"2014-10-15T19:06:48","slug":"today-hearings-at-1-6-in-grand-rapids","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/not-so-great-northern-transmission-line.org\/?p=742","title":{"rendered":"TODAY – Hearings at 11 & 6 in Grand Rapids"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\"October<\/a><\/p>\n

Yesterday’s hearing in Bigfork was not well attended, but despite the poor turnout, those who did show up had a lot to say and asked many good questions.<\/p>\n

What was odd about this is that Intervenors were not required to be there (I’d missed the hearings last week), and no witnesses.\u00a0 Dept. of Commerce DER had no one there either.\u00a0 Mike Kaluzniak stated that there was ONE intervenor, the Large Power Intervenors.\u00a0 EH?\u00a0 HELLO!\u00a0 Residents and Ratepayers Against Not-so-Great-Northern Transmission (RRANT) is an Intervenor with full party status.<\/p>\n

There was also a question and some information presented about alternate routes — note the next\/final workgroup meeting is October 29.\u00a0 These meetings are open to the public, so if you are interested in the where and when, contact Bill Storm of Commerce EERA: bill.storm@state.mn.us<\/strong><\/p>\n

The comments were insightful, though many pertained to routing, not need.<\/p>\n

Meloy Mattfield lives on the orange route, and he has a trail and spends a lot of time on that trail.\u00a0 He wanted to know what a safe distance from the power line would be, given that he’s in the area regularly, and has grandchildren who are often there too.\u00a0 He got the usual “causation has not been established” and was referred to the application section on EMF.\u00a0 Later I was able to interject info about the epidemiological association of EMF with childhood leukemia.<\/p>\n

Here are some articles with links from powerlinefacts.com (website accessible via Wayback).<\/span><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

Here are some specifics from the routing application, and note there is no disclosure of the amps:<\/p>\n

\"EMF1_RPA_Book1,Part2\"\"EMF2_RPA<\/a>There is more in Appendix I, so here it is — but note that it only relates to electric fields — is there more info somewhere?<\/p>\n

20144-98342-04_Initial Filing – RPA_Appendix I<\/a><\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

How to determine what’s safe?\u00a0 Buy a gauss meter (some are cheap, some are not)<\/span><\/strong><\/a> and measure powerlines starting at the centerline, and moving out (when they’re running, ramped up!).\u00a0 Keeping away from it until levels are under 2 mG would be a good bet.<\/p>\n

Sally Sedgwick was concerned about the scenic wilderness southeast of Effie, and noted that even if the line creates a benefit for one area, is it acceptable to burden another with this line?\u00a0 She requested that the line be co-located with pre-existing transmission )PUC pay attention, because that’s the requirement of PEER too).<\/p>\n

PEER<\/a> – use existing corridor!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

She also asked what percentage of the MP budget is devoted to getting this permit.\u00a0 It wasn’t clear to me whether this meant what % of MP’s budget is focused on getting this permit or what % of the line’s budget is permitting costs.\u00a0 The latter was answered, as 1% of project costs are permitting costs.<\/p>\n

She was also concerned about reduction of jobs at Boswell.\u00a0 That seems inevitable, as it looks like they’ve retrofitted Boswell 4, are retrofitting 3, and are evaluating what to do about 1 & 2 (which are likely smaller and older units).\u00a0 Moeller noted that Hoyt Lakes will be converted from coal to gas.<\/p>\n

Moeller also stated that increased transfer capability attributable to this project is 883 MW (if so, why build such a large project).\u00a0 I asked whether they’d be willing to limit it to that, as with the Arrowhead-Weston line with its 800 MW phase shifting transformer condition as part of the permit, and I got questioning looks and deferral to the evidentiary hearing.<\/p>\n

Dean Sedgwick had a few interesting questions too!<\/p>\n

How many lines would be reduced or eliminated with this?\u00a0 None.<\/p>\n

NOx, look at it and do comparison of generation?\u00a0 None.<\/p>\n

Line losses?\u00a0 Answered with information about comparative voltages for transmitting electricity, and that this was best (includes all of eastern interconnect!).<\/p>\n

What is impact of becoming dependent on a single point source (Manitoba Hydro) for such a large component of generation?\u00a0 A: Not restrictive.\u00a0 Working to be less reliant on coal.<\/p>\n

Back of envelope calculation, 625\/kW, higher cost for this project.\u00a0 Is this the least cost option?\u00a0 Coal is a low cost energy generator, is this lower cost than coal?\u00a0 A: Wind and hydro are lowest cost, no fuel cost.\u00a0 Have had issues with coal transport, and looking at rule changes.\u00a0 They’re “not saying that adding this will offset coal, it might change dispatch” (which means to me that this project opens door to marketing their coal elsewhere, at the eastern end of the line).<\/p>\n

He also had concerns about the change of rates through using a time of day supply, and the variability of those rates.<\/p>\n

Is biomass part of the mix MP looks at?\u00a0 Yes, but supply is issue (Moeller mentioned “railroad ties,” oh great, let’s breathe some of that!!).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Richard Reinhart lives between the orange and the blue options, 4.5 miles west of Hwy. 65.\u00a0 Why no use the existing route?\u00a0 If they make a new corridor, they don’t have the way to repair line.\u00a0 Could build a larger line and remove the smaller one on that corridor.\u00a0 If you did that, you’d be saving ecology, saving forest, and saving yourself a lot of trouble.\u00a0 It’s claimed to be needed for more power, but Hibbing Taconite is likely\u00a0 to close, and Essar, most of us will be dead by the time that gets going, if ever.<\/p>\n

Mattfield agreed, that these places will be closing down, the supply is limited, 30 years or so, and that’s about up.<\/p>\n

Gail Blackmer also urged them to use the existing corridor close th Hwy. 65.\u00a0 She’s a resident on Deer Lake, and it would go between county and state camping areas.\u00a0 Utilize the existing line, realize this is not a route hearing, but this is important.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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